Gianing money

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  1. kylan271

    kylan271 Established Member

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    Gaining money

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    The yearning for Crafting leaves you poorer by far. Even with xps you can not do anything unless you have money also(rolling the eyes). So how to achieve this????

    1. It sucks,but you need to pick up all you find and sell what you can even if many trips from places like the Temple to Hommlet(best selling options I know).

    2. Gain higher APPRAISE skill and Int bonus items if you can..

    3. Main thing...SLEIGH of HAND skill

    4. Nira the Jeweler has large selection of gems etc,but by default any item he has over '1' goes to his inventory. So if you sell him multiples of anything or add even 1 item to what he has in his shop list,it goes to his person,which you can pickpocket back..^_* The trick being to find a high price item,ie Diamond or best I found Jade Necklace,buy it and either add to another found or wait 1 week where he will restock and try again for another. Once you gain at least two items sell it to him and pickpocket back(he has about 5-6 things on him you have to go through also),but RINGS are buggy so do not buy to pickpocket back as you will lose them. Sell..pickpocket etc until high gps for crafting etc.

    5. Thrommel has best money bonus as reward. Your NPCs do not add to this though..a glitch here,only listed on their screen,but no money!!!

    6. One has the girls rescued from the Temple in Verbobonc has a money loop in dialogue when you rescue her from her father..100gp a time.
     
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  2. Avatar_do_Grafite

    Avatar_do_Grafite Established Member

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    Well, remember to sell the right things for the right person! Hehe!

    My Apraise skill is doing nothing for me (don´t know why; is the only thing in all the game that dont works...) but I´m keeping a good cash withou traveling for just selling porpouses.

    Just remember to sell magic itens to Bourne, weapons and metal armours for Smith/Otis, leather itens to Jakk/Bing, jewels to the... Ah... jeweler and wood itens to Armario (love the name of this guy! hehe! It means "cabinet" in portuguese! Perfect!). They pay the better prices. And ya dont need to overcharge all ya party with "goods to sell"...
     
  3. GuardianAngel82

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    Check the price of an item with Jack vs with Bing
     
  4. kylan271

    kylan271 Established Member

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    Yes you only sell to Jack not Bing as Bing is not viewed by AI as a 'specialist' in leather&bone,lol. Found the hard way lol and lol.

    Appraise does work,but wierd as anyone has same gp purchase so I suspect the computer looks at party highest bonus rather than person making the trade???? I do get discounts,a good try is the Mace in Temple of St Cuthbert at 27000ish I got down to 19000ish. I have to do a trial with 0 skill bonus to 20,to see the diff in price for each skill point? It is not shown in any data I know,so have to experiment lol.

    Geee and my keyboard playing up so forgive zeeeeeeee spellllling..
     
  5. GuardianAngel82

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    Appraise has , indeed, been modded as you say.
     
  6. Ausdoerrt

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    I don't know, I never had any money problems. Unless you tailor your party with the benefit of hindsight so that you use all in-game magic items, selling all the ones you don't use instead of hoarding them more than covers the casting costs. I usually craft at least 3-4 weapons per game to +3 with up to 5 extra properties, and still manage to finish the game with 10k+ platinum ( 20k if I don't buy stuff from Senshok).

    And, from my experience, being a munchkin and selling all the leather boots you can find definitely adds very little into your pocket but wastes too much time. So, I disagree with your point 1).

    As for sleight of hand, it's only worthwhile for a few traders and some characters, but generally, it's much much easier to kill for loot.
     
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  7. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Administrator

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    Ahhh, we've been down that route... "Help, I've killed all the traders in the game and now I can't sell to anyone, can you mod something???" ;)
    Yeah sorry about that. I added Bing's shop and set him up appropriately but the game just won't recognise him as a leather specialist (if you take my meaning :blush: ) Lot of those issues turning up in KotB.
    The game does indeed look at the highest Appraise score in the party, to save you having to move everything to your rogue before selling it. But I think it only affects the price you get for selling, not what you pay.
    I think the man himself said it best...
     
  8. kylan271

    kylan271 Established Member

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    I have not encountered Shenshock,let alone completed any of the temple levels(only bits and pieces)on my current game. So apart from Fenrith's horde I managed,I do not get mega monies from kills. Best pay comes from Thrommel's rescue. I crafted +6 items and drained my coffers,so I had to look at alternatives and SofHand with Jade Necklace multiples is best option I found. It depends on what weapons and items you craft(at Lvl 6-8 now I do not have many high crafting options for weapons)?

    Oh sheesh I am role playing,lol..with many girls I have in group they spring clean the dungeons and go bargain shopping at Rikks Mega Mart..(it is better to 'Creat Water' and sell heh). At begining with limited money I had to scavange everything,so it is mainly for new party. I sell my +1 daggers as I never use them and Spears +1,and any other useless magical armour and shield I would not use.

    Appraise of party affects buying. A PC with no skill in Appraise has same price shown to purchase as one with 20 ranks. But,whilst we are at it,can you consider a modifier for REACTION also. It is in Baldur's gate and honestly what 'exactly' does reaction give you in TOEE game,to me nothing..maybe kind words,but no practical benefit.. Do you get better service at shops or for information or for quest rewards,nah... Reaction and trading should be linked to faction groups you deal with. Reaction should also give you an xp bonus or reduction for quests (and hopefully a money reward also would be nice..).
     
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  9. GuardianAngel82

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    I think the reaction is basically KOS. :p
     
  10. General Ghoul

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    I used the Craft skill to make money. Several of the bugbear shields, and the Iuz shields are craftable. By spending 500gp and 40XP you can sell them for 1500gp, or a 1000 gp profit. I think well worth the 40XP when you are short on cash.

    I too picked up everything, and I mean everything. Clothing, cloaks, robes, non leather boots, and hats to the tailor. Wooden weapons and shields to the cabinet maker, all metal items, like weapons and armor to the smith, and all leather to the leather worker. Bing gives better prices on masterwork items, but surprisingly not magic leather items. I find Burne gives good prices for magic, but potions do better with the old lady in Nulb.
     
  11. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Administrator

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    I've thought about a BG-style thing in the past but I don't know we can do it in ToEE: when you enter barter mode there is really nothing there for the modders to script, its all very behind-the-scenes.

    Otherwise reactions, in ToEE, only really effect the opening comment: whether they say, "so good to see you, old friend" or "get the hell out of my shop", once you click past that, nothing changes. A waste, to be sure.
     
  12. kylan271

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    I was thinking about 'reaction' in a practical sense,not so I can just get bonuses on things. I am not a modder,but it is a wasted script to include a 'reaction' script,which does nothing beyond "G'day mate!" heh ^_* . In 'nornmal' AD&D gaming with IWD and Baldurs you get some practical use from it,but sadly not here. Charisma was the adjustment to trading before,but here INT,so I had to get used to this also,lol.

    I forgot about the Bugbear shields,aghhhh and from crafting to make money.

    Bone items go to Rik,ie Troll Armours. One of the Merchants you rescue(Temple 3rd?) sets up shop on the streets of Verbie and has good armour prices(need to confirm if same as Otis or Bro Smythe). Prices depend when selling on your APPRAISE skill,but there is no modifiers for crafting costs,so the profit range is variable. I did not know about potions being sold best at Mumma Screng's,I have not checked Calmert on this???

    Based on Apparise testing(Calmert's Mace +1 Holy)

    Rank 0 29304gp
    1 28754
    2 28205
    3 27655
    4 27106
    5 26556
    10 23809gp

    It seems APPRAISE is about 1.875% per skill rank or there about. It to me should be a straight 2% if anything,not some partial %???? Seems wierd they would do this???? Is this correct for TOEE or AD&D 3.5 rules????
     
  13. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Administrator

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    The Appraise value seems to be based on the initial (underlying) value, which for an Holy Mace +1 is 18315gp (in protos.tab, I don't know if that is accurate and I don't really care right at this moment).

    I don't have my DMG here, what is the markup on buying meant to be? Its exactly 1.6 if you compare that Appraise of 0 price with the underlying one, but that may not be the exact modifier.
     
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  14. kylan271

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    Ok I forgot that ShTed, in regards to base price. But the 1.8ish % for each appraise point seems out of place,perhaps it is meant to be 2%??? I can not find data on this online(I have no 3.5 rulebook).
     
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