New ToEE rule set?

xraygord · November 29th, 2009

Has anyone made a 1st ed. AD&D rule set for ToEE? Is it possible? I love the game, but I would much prefer to be able to play it with the original rules.

wizgeorge · November 29th, 2009

ToEE was written for 3.5 and the stuff from the pnp modules was converted to 3.5 Elmo is a prime example of the difference, so, no 1st edition is possible.

GuardianAngel82 · November 29th, 2009

Without starting a big debate, why is Elmo a Fighter 4 instead of a Ranger 4? Feats?

blackwind · November 29th, 2009

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel82

Without starting a big debate, why is Elmo a Fighter 4 instead of a Ranger 4? Feats?

I may be wrong but I think 1E rangers can wear chainmail without any penalties. So in 3.5 he couldn't be a ranger and wear chainmail without some kind of penalty.

Shiningted · November 29th, 2009

Yeah, Elmo's great as a 1E Ranger but as 3.5E, he would have to be completely changed. I for one don't see him as a subtle, 2wf warrior - he's a guy who hits things with a big axe.

Kalshane · November 29th, 2009

Like Ted said, 3.5 rangers are very dissimilar to their 1st Edition counter-parts, so Fighter makes the most sense for Elmo. He still has (cross-class) ranks in rangerish skills, though.

wizgeorge · November 30th, 2009

I think the developers had to make a decision on Elmo. With his stats he would be good at anything. To keep the AC he would need magic studded leather. But Elmo isn't the archery type, he's a axeman like in the pnp module. He would be good at 2wf with 2 +3holy, flaming battleaxes. I've done that before. I don't like 3.5 rangers and never use them. It was easier to make him a fighter and maintain his personality as a tough axeman, which I like. All Elmo wanted was a big axe, not a longbow. I like Elmo. Hommlet was the first game I ever played and DMed and when I bought ToEE there was Elmo. I remembered him after 30 years. He's just fine the way he is.

GuardianAngel82 · November 30th, 2009

Yeah, I kind of see the point. Fighter matches the module CHARECTER better.

I remember Rangers could wear PLATE. But, I can't remember AD&D or 2ed. Okay, so instead of chain mail, stick him in a chain shirt. Same AC.

Keep the axe. It, to me, is more Rangerish than a longsword. The original Rangers in the U.S. were told to keep theirs sharp. Though they would be handaxes, not battleaxes.

I agree, 3.5 Rangers are too pale and wan. Though in DDO (28 point buy), I'm running a elven Ranger/Rogue, just like I do in ToEE. Dual-wielding a rapier and a short sword with weapon finesse, I sneak him in and casually disembowel the targets before they know he's there.

Now, if I could only get him to sing, "I'm a Lumberjack and I'm okay..."

blackwind · November 30th, 2009

2E rangers were restricted to studded leather or lighter.

GuardianAngel82 · November 30th, 2009

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Originally Posted by blackwind

2E rangers were restricted to studded leather or lighter.

Right. 2ed Rangers lose some of their special abilities in heavier armor.

DestroyYouAlot · December 17th, 2009

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Originally Posted by wizgeorge

ToEE was written for 3.5 and the stuff from the pnp modules was converted to 3.5 Elmo is a prime example of the difference, so, no 1st edition is possible.

I don't see why the one leads to the other. I for one would love to see an AD&D conversion - as it is I just grin and bear it (and choose feats that don't require me to do anything to activate them so I can just ignore them). It wouldn't require all that much to pull it off.

-DYA

xraygord · December 17th, 2009

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Originally Posted by DestroyYouAlot

I don't see why the one leads to the other. I for one would love to see an AD&D conversion - as it is I just grin and bear it (and choose feats that don't require me to do anything to activate them so I can just ignore them). It wouldn't require all that much to pull it off.

-DYA

Thats the spirit!

I do the same thing with the feats. I played Hommlet as a kid also, I loved that module. When I started to play the ToEE the PC game I was confused about some things, I noticed AC would go up instead of down when putting on better armour...lol. Thing was i didn't know about 3.0 or 3.5, I barely remembered 2e. I couldn't even find out about anything on the internet because when I got ToEE it was at the same time I got my first PC and we didn't get an interent connection for like a month and a half. Its a good thing the rule book was well explained. So I played and completed ToEE without having any of the patches or any online help. Anyone else ever do that? lol

Shiningted · December 17th, 2009

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It wouldn't require all that much to pull it off.

Let us know how that goes.

November 29th, 2009	#1
xraygord Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 38	New ToEE rule set? Has anyone made a 1st ed. AD&D rule set for ToEE? Is it possible? I love the game, but I would much prefer to be able to play it with the original rules.

November 29th, 2009	#2
wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy Circle of Eight Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A different zone Posts: 1,715	Re: New ToEE rule set? ToEE was written for 3.5 and the stuff from the pnp modules was converted to 3.5 Elmo is a prime example of the difference, so, no 1st edition is possible.

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Shiningted Victory at Sea! Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 9,828	Re: New ToEE rule set? Yeah, Elmo's great as a 1E Ranger but as 3.5E, he would have to be completely changed. I for one don't see him as a subtle, 2wf warrior - he's a guy who hits things with a big axe. __________________ My blog! http://rpg-rant.blogspot.com/ My webcomic! http://rpg-rant.blogspot.com/2007/08/kecik-1.html

November 29th, 2009	#6
Kalshane Local Rules Geek Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,644	Re: New ToEE rule set? Like Ted said, 3.5 rangers are very dissimilar to their 1st Edition counter-parts, so Fighter makes the most sense for Elmo. He still has (cross-class) ranks in rangerish skills, though.

November 30th, 2009	#7
wizgeorge Prophet of Wizardy Circle of Eight Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A different zone Posts: 1,715	Re: New ToEE rule set? I think the developers had to make a decision on Elmo. With his stats he would be good at anything. To keep the AC he would need magic studded leather. But Elmo isn't the archery type, he's a axeman like in the pnp module. He would be good at 2wf with 2 +3holy, flaming battleaxes. I've done that before. I don't like 3.5 rangers and never use them. It was easier to make him a fighter and maintain his personality as a tough axeman, which I like. All Elmo wanted was a big axe, not a longbow. I like Elmo. Hommlet was the first game I ever played and DMed and when I bought ToEE there was Elmo. I remembered him after 30 years. He's just fine the way he is.

November 30th, 2009	#8
GuardianAngel82 Ettin Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,289	Re: New ToEE rule set? Yeah, I kind of see the point. Fighter matches the module CHARECTER better. I remember Rangers could wear PLATE. But, I can't remember AD&D or 2ed. Okay, so instead of chain mail, stick him in a chain shirt. Same AC. Keep the axe. It, to me, is more Rangerish than a longsword. The original Rangers in the U.S. were told to keep theirs sharp. Though they would be handaxes, not battleaxes. I agree, 3.5 Rangers are too pale and wan. Though in DDO (28 point buy), I'm running a elven Ranger/Rogue, just like I do in ToEE. Dual-wielding a rapier and a short sword with weapon finesse, I sneak him in and casually disembowel the targets before they know he's there. Now, if I could only get him to sing, "I'm a Lumberjack and I'm okay..." __________________ Forgive your enemies. It REALLY pisses them off!

November 30th, 2009	#9
blackwind Zombie Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 104	Re: New ToEE rule set? 2E rangers were restricted to studded leather or lighter.