Level 4 questions

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

Is there any need on the 4th Level for all those robes I've been lugging around for ever?

What is best: to put all the healing potions with...say...3 characters, or to spread them around with everyone?

Do I really need all that poison?

Reymar · January 28th, 2009

Not sure on the robes, I think they're just so you can disguise yourself as one of the elemental groups, obviously if you're on the 4th level you most likely no longer need them.

As for potions I usually spread them among my back rank characters so they can run up and administer to a front ranker as needed. I never carry them on my front rank characters because drinking one opens you up for AOO's. Kinda nice that you can pour a potion down someone elses throat while they're fighting

Rey~

Emirkol the Chaotic · January 28th, 2009

Once you've completed any of the initial quests for any of the Temples, you are accepted and no longer need the robes.

As for potions, that's really up to you're pakying style.

I normally split my potions of moderate healings or greater to all party members, leaving the "light" healing potions massed with one or two of my clerics.

The light ones I use after battles, saving the healing spells. The heavier ones are more for major (soon to be dead) emergencies, like in the middle of a battle. Although, I rarely had call to use them, due to having one PC cleric, Ronald, and Meleny, in my party.

At even higher levels, potions tend to become obsolete due to the gaining of various "mass cure" spells.

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

Thank you, both.

Now if someone could address the poison...

Reymar · January 28th, 2009

I'm not positive, but I think the poison is just tossed in there to mess with players that chug the blue potions without id'ing them. Wonder if you could force it down a baddies throat, hehehe.

Rey~

Shiningted · January 28th, 2009

Yeah, its what forces you to identify all the blue potions (or at least Read Magic them nowdays). Of course poison stands out since it doesn't stack but you can't see that from the radial menu in the heat of battle.

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

You can have a hug too, Ted.

Half Knight · January 28th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Scryler

Is there any need on the 4th Level for all those robes I've been lugging around for ever?

What is best: to put all the healing potions with...say...3 characters, or to spread them around with everyone?

Do I really need all that poison?

-Not on the 4th level. But the black robe with the red skull on the chest (greater robes) could open a few optional dialogs.

-Personally, i give every charcter their share of potions. Weakest charcters get few potions, and usually my magic users get the lesser (light healing) since they have few hp and they would heal with only one or two. The warrior like charcters get the more, and also the major healing, since they have too many hp. That way i distribute the weight, and save space (warriors doesn't need to carry wands, scrolls, etc) and healing spells.

-Poison isn't really a need. As it's been explained, is a kind of trap (well, not that kind).
You can use it on opponents via the radial menu, but is not strong, so rarelly will affect someone (just for rpging, i give my rogues a few, only 1 or 2 of them). I hope Ted implements other, stronger poisons in KotB.

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

I am so glad to get those robes off! And out of the chest, as well.

Another question: What are those black scarab things for? They are jewelry, but what do they do?

And thanks, HK. Do you want a hug, too?

Half Knight · January 28th, 2009

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I am so glad to get those robes off! And out of the chest, as well.

yeah, get rid of them. I usually let them again in the 1st floor.

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Another question: What are those black scarab things for? They are jewelry, but what do they do?

I was intrigued by those too.
I don't remember seeing any ability in their protos. If i'm correct, i think that those scarabs let you pass some traps on the original module (something like the electric trap, but i think the trap is on the curtains on Zuggy's throne.)

Btw, i believe that ZTGY stands for ZuTGmoY...it may be ovbious for anyone, but not for me.

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And thanks, HK. Do you want a hug, too?

LoL

Tell ya what: when i get rich and famous, i'll send a plane for each one of you and make the first "Co8 meeting". Then you could give that hug

Unless Gaear get jealous

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

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Tell ya what: when i get rich and famous, i'll send a plane for each one of you and make the first "Co8 meeting". Then you could give that hug

I'm make sure I remember that...

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Unless Gaear get jealous

Gaear? Jealous? You are a verrry funny guy, HK.

Pssst! I have heard he gets even, though.

GuardianAngel82 · January 28th, 2009

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I am so glad to get those robes off!

Me too!

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And out of the chest, as well.

You mean that wasn't your real chest?

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And thanks, HK. Do you want a hug, too?

Why don't we call this the get a hug from Scryler thread?

Gaear · January 28th, 2009

I must be the 'pimp daddy.'

I don't recall that the ZTGY things do anything. A pity, but so much of ToEE is like that.

Kneller1 · January 28th, 2009

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I don't recall that the ZTGY things do anything. A pity, but so much of ToEE is like that.

What a pitty?
If only there was some bright minded modders out there willing to change that...
Ohwell.

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P.S. Can I have a hug?

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

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Why don't we call this the get a hug from Scryler thread?

Hmmph! It was my thread, afterall, GA82.

Scryler · January 28th, 2009

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P.S. Can I have a hug?

Certainly! Everyone can! Line up! Free hugs for everyone. Even GA82. Pimp er, Gaear, too.

Reymar · January 28th, 2009

Maybe put some loot behind those annoying impassible curtains and have the amulets act as keys? I'm an obsessive explorer (every possible area of eack level must be explored/mapped) and the curtains annoy the heck out of me, hehehe.

Rey~

Emirkol the Chaotic · January 28th, 2009

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I am so glad to get those robes off! And out of the chest, as well.

Not commenting. Not commenting. Not commenting. Not commenting. Not commenting.

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Another question: What are those black scarab things for? They are jewelry, but what do they do?

The scarabs were talismans that let you bypass the magically sealed doors on the Temple floors in the original PnP module. They also allowed safe passage through the violet fungi curtains on Level 4. There were also phony scarabs you could find as well, IIRC.

Sadly, neither the doors nor scarabs were implemented in the original ToEE game, yet strangely included. Yet another example of the "unfinished" product Troika released so long ago. It's wonderful to see how much it's grown under the loving care of it's foster family.

matmaisan · January 29th, 2009

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The scarabs were talismans that let you bypass the magically sealed doors on the Temple floors in the original PnP module. They also allowed safe passage through the violet fungi curtains on Level 4. There were also phony scarabs you could find as well, IIRC.

Just the curtains. They had no function regarding the sealed doors, otherwise the badies would have set Zuggtmoy free many years before the campaign starts.

Which is why I always found strange that Falrinth had the Orb, but never discovered the throne entrance and the (very easy) way to set Zuggy free...

Emirkol the Chaotic · January 29th, 2009

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Just the curtains. They had no function regarding the sealed doors, otherwise the badies would have set Zuggtmoy free many years before the campaign starts.

Which is why I always found strange that Falrinth had the Orb, but never discovered the throne entrance and the (very easy) way to set Zuggy free...

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Been awhile since I read the module.

We should all be lucky I remembered as much as I did!

Even if it was only half right (half knight??).

maalri · January 29th, 2009

Just sell the Scarabs Scryler and the Poison too...

You can probably get away with selling the vast majority of potions too... especially the Cure lIght ones... I keep just a couple- on each person with a couple spare on back ranks personally.

You're front rankers can avoid the AoO by moving 5 feet then drinking, and it is nice to have the option on them already- so give powerful potions to them...

Working on my hug...

maalri

Scryler · January 29th, 2009

I 'rescued' Paida. Took awhile messing around with this tactic and that to get her to join the party, but she finally did. But now, in Hommlet, everyone, including Valden, is attacking the party. I had to kill two townspeople outside the WW Inn. I think even Elmo is attacking us.

I know I am asking for lots of solutions, but how do you get around this? I cast dispel magic on her by a PC (first had to raise her from the dead) before she would join...at the Inn, I also cast Disenchantment (or whatever it is called)...to no avail.

erkper · January 29th, 2009

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I 'rescued' Paida. Took awhile messing around with this tactic and that to get her to join the party, but she finally did. But now, in Hommlet, everyone, including Valden, is attacking the party. I had to kill two townspeople outside the WW Inn. I think even Elmo is attacking us.

I know I am asking for lots of solutions, but how do you get around this? I cast dispel magic on her by a PC (first had to raise her from the dead) before she would join...at the Inn, I also cast Disenchantment (or whatever it is called)...to no avail.

I guess the simplest, best, and correct advise would be: Don't kill her before you cast the Dispel Magic on her.

[Edit] - Why did you have to kill her in th efirst place? Did she attack you on sight? She does not normally do that - at least, I've not seen it.

Scryler · January 29th, 2009

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[Edit] - Why did you have to kill her in th efirst place? Did she attack you on sight? She does not normally do that - at least, I've not seen it.

She did. My character took advantage of one of those opportunity things or fought back or something.

Scryler · January 29th, 2009

I have tried it any number of ways. Nothing works. I am giving up.

Gaear · January 29th, 2009

Paida will attack you on sight if you have an NPC in the party. That's a known bug. Just leave the NPC(s) out in the hall where she can't see them and she should be okay.

And yes, killing her, even if you resurrect her later, will make everyone in Hommlet angry with you.

Scryler · January 29th, 2009

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Paida will attack you on sight if you have an NPC in the party. That's a known bug. Just leave the NPC(s) out in the hall where she can't see them and she should be okay.

And yes, killing her, even if you resurrect her later, will make everyone in Hommlet angry with you.

Thanks. For now, I just did the Iuz battle...am thinking I will just go on. Maybe I'll replay it after (if) I win the game. Big if, there.

Shiningted · January 29th, 2009

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And yes, killing her, even if you resurrect her later, will make everyone in Hommlet angry with you.

I didn't mess with any of the 'Butcher of Hommlet' stuff with the san_resurrect fix, but thats just plain silly. I think there should at least be a check to see if you are in the Temple when you kill her - if you do (deliberately or just a n00b who doesn't know whats going on and gets attacked by Curry Puff) you shouldn't face any repercussions in Hommlet, unless you actually go up to Valden and brag to him about it.

Unless anyone objects, I think I shall change that.

maalri · January 29th, 2009

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I didn't mess with any of the 'Butcher of Hommlet' stuff with the san_resurrect fix, but thats just plain silly. I think there should at least be a check to see if you are in the Temple when you kill her - if you do (deliberately or just a n00b who doesn't know whats going on and gets attacked by Curry Puff) you shouldn't face any repercussions in Hommlet, unless you actually go up to Valden and brag to him about it.

Unless anyone objects, I think I shall change that.

I object, but only because I have watched too many court shows.....

Go 'head, make our day!

Scryler · January 29th, 2009

This uh noob -- who knows nothing -- wants to know now if the knighthood badges do anything.

January 28th, 2009	#1
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Level 4 questions Is there any need on the 4th Level for all those robes I've been lugging around for ever? What is best: to put all the healing potions with...say...3 characters, or to spread them around with everyone? Do I really need all that poison? Last edited by Scryler; January 28th, 2009 at 01:19 PM.

January 28th, 2009	#2
Reymar Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 37	Re: Level 4 questions Not sure on the robes, I think they're just so you can disguise yourself as one of the elemental groups, obviously if you're on the 4th level you most likely no longer need them. As for potions I usually spread them among my back rank characters so they can run up and administer to a front ranker as needed. I never carry them on my front rank characters because drinking one opens you up for AOO's. Kinda nice that you can pour a potion down someone elses throat while they're fighting Rey~

January 28th, 2009	#3
Emirkol the Chaotic Proud Polytheist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Schaumburg, IL. (Yep, Schaumburg!) Posts: 1,430	Re: Level 4 questions Once you've completed any of the initial quests for any of the Temples, you are accepted and no longer need the robes. As for potions, that's really up to you're pakying style. I normally split my potions of moderate healings or greater to all party members, leaving the "light" healing potions massed with one or two of my clerics. The light ones I use after battles, saving the healing spells. The heavier ones are more for major (soon to be dead) emergencies, like in the middle of a battle. Although, I rarely had call to use them, due to having one PC cleric, Ronald, and Meleny, in my party. At even higher levels, potions tend to become obsolete due to the gaining of various "mass cure" spells. __________________ Hey, I didn't get where I am in life by putting the tops on things.

January 28th, 2009	#4
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Re: Level 4 questions Thank you, both. Now if someone could address the poison...

January 28th, 2009	#5
Reymar Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 37	Re: Level 4 questions I'm not positive, but I think the poison is just tossed in there to mess with players that chug the blue potions without id'ing them. Wonder if you could force it down a baddies throat, hehehe. Rey~

January 28th, 2009	#6
Shiningted Victory at Sea! Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 9,828	Re: Level 4 questions Yeah, its what forces you to identify all the blue potions (or at least Read Magic them nowdays). Of course poison stands out since it doesn't stack but you can't see that from the radial menu in the heat of battle. __________________ My blog! http://rpg-rant.blogspot.com/ My webcomic! http://rpg-rant.blogspot.com/2007/08/kecik-1.html

January 28th, 2009	#7
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Re: Level 4 questions You can have a hug too, Ted.

January 28th, 2009	#9
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Re: Level 4 questions I am so glad to get those robes off! And out of the chest, as well. Another question: What are those black scarab things for? They are jewelry, but what do they do? And thanks, HK. Do you want a hug, too?

January 28th, 2009	#13
Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,865	Re: Level 4 questions I must be the 'pimp daddy.' I don't recall that the ZTGY things do anything. A pity, but so much of ToEE is like that. __________________

January 28th, 2009	#17
Reymar Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 37	Re: Level 4 questions Maybe put some loot behind those annoying impassible curtains and have the amulets act as keys? I'm an obsessive explorer (every possible area of eack level must be explored/mapped) and the curtains annoy the heck out of me, hehehe. Rey~

January 29th, 2009	#21
maalri Immortal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,007	Re: Level 4 questions Just sell the Scarabs Scryler and the Poison too... You can probably get away with selling the vast majority of potions too... especially the Cure lIght ones... I keep just a couple- on each person with a couple spare on back ranks personally. You're front rankers can avoid the AoO by moving 5 feet then drinking, and it is nice to have the option on them already- so give powerful potions to them... Working on my hug... maalri __________________ It is better to take your chances and live life, than to look back and wish you had.

January 29th, 2009	#22
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Re: Level 4 questions I 'rescued' Paida. Took awhile messing around with this tactic and that to get her to join the party, but she finally did. But now, in Hommlet, everyone, including Valden, is attacking the party. I had to kill two townspeople outside the WW Inn. I think even Elmo is attacking us. I know I am asking for lots of solutions, but how do you get around this? I cast dispel magic on her by a PC (first had to raise her from the dead) before she would join...at the Inn, I also cast Disenchantment (or whatever it is called)...to no avail.

January 29th, 2009	#25
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Re: Level 4 questions I have tried it any number of ways. Nothing works. I am giving up.

January 29th, 2009	#26
Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,865	Re: Level 4 questions Paida will attack you on sight if you have an NPC in the party. That's a known bug. Just leave the NPC(s) out in the hall where she can't see them and she should be okay. And yes, killing her, even if you resurrect her later, will make everyone in Hommlet angry with you. __________________

January 29th, 2009	#30
Scryler Night's Wordsmith Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In the hurricane zone Posts: 2,205	Re: Level 4 questions This uh noob -- who knows nothing -- wants to know now if the knighthood badges do anything.