Scather an AoO?

[wizgeorge]

My CG Rogue has Scather and just fought it out with the 163HP GTBLeaders on level 3. I happened to notice she was very low on Hp from the AoO's, because the bugs never hit her. As an experiment I sent her on her own and the AoO's eventually killed her. She is level 9, AC28, with 90HP. The AoO's are nice, but not if they'll kill you. Bye the way, a Rouge with Scather, powerattack, and greatcleave is awesome. Also, the Belt of GiantStrength+6 really helps. I recommend you keep a close eye on the HP of a Scather/Fragarach user.

[Cerulean the Blue]

You wouldn't happen to be using the 5.0.1 patch dated 08-20-06, would you? Or the .dll fixes Spellslinger did (they are include in that patch)?

I'm just wondering, because I have never heard of Scather's AoO's taking hp away from the wielder. Come to think of it, if the bugbears never hit her, Scather shouldn't be getting AoO's. Not unless the bugbears are trying to run around your rogue or doing some other such silly stuff.

[wizgeorge]

I think i'm a bit confused on this AoO thing. Figure this. On level4, the room with Senshock and the others. The rouge goes up and the first attack is from the fire elemental. She gets a AoO, and hits the elemental for serious damage, but takes a good bit of damage. Now, did the elemental hit her or did AoO cause the damage. How do you tell? Prince Thrommel, on the way out we fight Will'o'Wisps and he takes all kind of damage when he gets the AoO. Is he being hit by the wisps. Is he getting the AoO and being hit? I can"t tell. The wisps slide up and he gets the AoO, but they don't get an attack, but he takes damage anyway. Also strange ,Scather works great against the fire elemental but not in the fire temple/or node.

[Cerulean the Blue]

The AoO thing can be confusing. With fire elementals (made of fire) and Will-o-Wisps (made of electricity) every time you hit them it damages you as well. That's the problem with Scather and Fragarach. Sometimes (or most of the time) the game engine interprets this damage as the critter hitting you and gives you an AoO, which causes damage to you again, giving you another AoO, etc ... .

[lord_graywolfe]

thats why i removed the AoO bonus from both swords in my game. causes to many problems and makes them a bit to much for the game anyway.

[Spellslinger]

I've always refused to use those always hit swords (this is one, isn't it?). If I want no challenge from the game, I'd give my party a tac nuke.

[Shiningted]

As soon as you hack them into the .dll, we'll ALL give our parties tactical nukes!

"Hey Iuz - I got something for ya..."

[jhudsui]

Originally Posted by lord_graywolfe

thats why i removed the AoO bonus from both swords in my game. causes to many problems and makes them a bit to much for the game anyway.

Is there any chance you could upload a patch for that?
Having to lose BOTH Scather AND all of my sorcereress's best spells is making the Balor pretty much unbeatable.

[Lord_Spike]

He's a wuss. Try researching some anti-balor tactics on the forum here & see what some others are doing. Might just be an eye-opener for ya.

[lord_graywolfe]

its not a patch per say i just changed the bonus in the proto. instead of always hitting and the AoO i just made them both enchanted weapons and added keen to help offset the change. they are still the best swords in the game but not quite so powerful.

here is my proto file with them in it if you want it.

but it is possible to beat the bosses with out them.

[erkper]

While looking at the description for Scather, another possible fix occured to me: the description says that Scather gives unlimited AoOs to CG users, but only 1 AoO per round to CN. If it actually works that way, wouldn't changing the AoO limit for CG to 3 or 4 or whatever effectively stop the AoO hangs in the fire node / fire temple?

[krunch]

Note: I read somewhere [regarding D&D, Fragarach folklore, wherever] that Fragarach can do 20 AoO hits each round.

[Lord_Spike]

There is a limit to the "lesser" Swords of Answering (Scather, et al) of the wielders' max number of attacks per round. Being unique, Fragarach would hit up to the number of times the wielder was attacked, so it is governed by how many people were swinging & how many times they could swing (each). I should think that in one minutes time, you can only move the blade so much & still be able to cause damage; nevermind becoming exhausted. Sure, it's magical, but not all powerful. And since it effectively breaks the game, a limit is definetly in order. If a limit is set, though, it should follow guidelines in spirit with the original intent or making a CG wielder a veritable Blade Barrier. 5 for Scather & 8 for Fragarach? 7 & 10, maybe? Differing alignments like CN would only get 1, remember, so this should be added as well if it isn't working already.

Other thoughts are welcome...

[lord_graywolfe]

well that bonus, titled fragarch in protos i havent been able to actually find. it may be hard coded im not sure. if we can find the bonus then yes we could simply limit the number of AoOs for the swords and taht would be great. since my way does away with the AoOs altogther. that bonus is also where the swords get the ability to ignore armor and im not sure what else is packed in there.